this happens every time a Camaro story gets posted.

"citizennick" (citizennick) 03/09/2016 at 13:20 • Filed to: None

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“Sucks you can’t see out of it”

And of course the only people complaining are the ones that don’t drive one, much less even been in one probably.

You never hear someone on the forum say “gosh, can’t see out of my car”

You know why? Because adjusting the seats and mirrors do wonders! The seats move up, omg! But let’s base everything on the opinion of someone who probably sat in one at the auto show.

Sneaky Pete > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:24

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Not being able to see out of it is a good thing...I’d be upset if I saw how ugly that thing is while driving it.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:25

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As someone who has driven a 2014 Camaro I honestly couldn’t get the mirrors and seat in a comfortable position. There was a lot of guess work when it came to changing lanes

citizennick > Sneaky Pete 03/09/2016 at 13:26

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mmmmk

citizennick > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/09/2016 at 13:27

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Never owned a 5th gen, but have no issues seeing blind spots in the 6th. Plus it helps having those nannies that let you know if someone is next to you.

Nibby > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:28

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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:29

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Right but should we have to settle for nannies instead of real sight lines

citizennick > Nibby 03/09/2016 at 13:29

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I need to stay off the front page ):

HammerheadFistpunch > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:30

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only...its still true. I only drove the old one a couple of times, so I can’t speak to the new one but it sucked...not matter where I put the seat/mirrors. Yes you can get used to it but you can get used to having only only 3 fingers on each hand too. People on forums don’t complain because people like the car enough to look past/ignore its faults. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but it is slightly disingenuous.

Textured Soy Protein > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:30

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I had one as a rental for a few days right when the fifth gen first came out.

The visibility sucks. It’s a fact.

Camaro owners who don’t complain about the visibility are not avoiding those complaints because they have developed the ability to see through metal. They’ve decided they like the other aspects of the car enough that they put up with or don’t care about the shit visibility.

citizennick > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/09/2016 at 13:30

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If you want to see everything get a sedan. A lot of GT cars have bad sight lines. You get used to it.

yitznewton > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:32

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I can’t see out of my car.

Top down is fine, but in an S2000 you are screwed if you need to look back past the doors with the top up for e.g. a V-shaped turn like this one near my house:

And forget backing out of parking spots. Totally blind.

citizennick > HammerheadFistpunch 03/09/2016 at 13:32

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Never driven a 5th gen, I've been in one and it does seem worse. But I would only pass judgement if I had time to mess around with the seat and mirrors.

Takuro Spirit > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:32

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I drove a 2012 Camaro SS, and it was because a friend of mine was afraid to back it out, because of the sight lines.... he let me take it around the block and you know what? The visibility isn’t that bad.

The shudder it made when shifting hard from 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd however.... not befitting a car with 6k miles on it.

whoarder is tellurium > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:33

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Bet you these people (or most for that matter) don’t look at their surroundings anyways. Why are they pretending to care?

Jayhawk Jake > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:35

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It’s your equal to my ‘Why didn’t you get the V8?’ anytime I mention I have an Ecoboost mustang.

Coffey_stain > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:35

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Call me crazy but I can see out of a 5th and 6th gen just fine, I’m 6'2" and I feel super comfortable with where all four corners of the car are.

BeaterGT > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:35

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Yeah I just stopped replying to those comments. The people that post it drive perfect cars with 0 quirks and are better than what you or I drive in every way imaginable.

HammerheadFistpunch > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:35

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Its possible the 6th gen is better, but its also possible that either:

a. you have a unique kinesiology that allows you to be both comfortable AND have acceptable visibility (shared possibly only with the principle designer)

b. You just like the car enough to look past its glaring fault and accept it.

As a person who can’t stand poor visibility and that is reflected in my car purchases maybe its just something I notice more.

BeaterGT > Sneaky Pete 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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You should see whats in the mirrors, Mustangs! Talk about GROSS

Jayhawk Jake > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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Any large coupe has piss poor sight lines in at least some directions. In the Mustang I have a huge hood I can see out the front, decent side visibility, but nothing out the rear quarters. I have blind spot monitoring though, which is handy.

HammerheadFistpunch > yitznewton 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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Star for the shop

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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I, unlike most of the people who claim you can’t see out of it, have ACTUALLY SAT IN ONE. I sat in the new Camaro in Philly. I could see out of it perfectly fine, even though I’m 6'8", or about a foot taller than most people. Now, I've never sat in a 5th gen, but I can, in fact, confirm that seeing out of the 6th generation Camaro is indeed possible.

Mercedes Streeter > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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To be fair to Sampsonite, that is no excuse for bad design traits. The Camaro could have easily been designed to have a larger greenhouse. In fact, a larger greenhouse would make it look more like the retro-futuristic pony car it’s supposed to be.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Jayhawk Jake 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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Well?

(jk)

Tekamul > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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If I adjusted the seat high enough for a proper vantage point out the windows, my head would be 2 inches through the roof.

For reference, I drive an FR-S. The windows in the FR-S are too small. But they are still taller than the windows in the Camaro. Even though the Camaro is a significantly larger car.

Maybe Chevy thinks that esthetic aligns with the demographic, but I think it looks awful. The ratio of greenhouse to door slab is all wrong.

citizennick > Coffey_stain 03/09/2016 at 13:37

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Body size must be a factor. I’m 6'1", never any issues.

Mercedes Streeter > HammerheadFistpunch 03/09/2016 at 13:38

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Exactly...nobody on the smart forums whine about how crappy the transmission is or how they are absurdly expensive to get repaired at a MBZ dealership...but that doesn’t mean the problems don’t exist. :(

citizennick > BeaterGT 03/09/2016 at 13:40

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The people that post it probably drive something beige because they can see out of it. Sports cars aren't typically easy to drive around like a Camry, if they were you'd see less people in Camrys.

Jayhawk Jake > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:40

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This. Everyone says the Mustang is better. It’s slightly better, but the ‘over the shoulder’ look is still god awful, and the hood blocks the front too.

Telumektar > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:41

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I’ve never been in one of those (or any Camaro whatsoever) and while I guess it’s not that bad compared to other new cars I also think that most new cars offer very poor visibility for the driver. Blame it on stricter safety standards that keep us safer in case of an accident (good) but hinder our perception while driving (bad).

Doorlines in new cars are waaaay up high compared to 90's and 00's cars’, that gets you taller cars in general, with wider pillars... which is where I think most of the problem is. New, broad A pillars that help the car withstand another car head-on make for very big obstructions while driving, mostly while getting around a corner or intersection, they generate these forward blindspots, which experienced driver won’t have much problem with but will be a problem for newer and/or distracted drivers.

citizennick > Tekamul 03/09/2016 at 13:43

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Sheesh how tall are you? I’m 6'1" and raised my seat up quite a bit. Helps that I got one without the sunroof I'm sure.

Wacko > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:44

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My wife has a 2011 Elantra and I hate the visibility in her car.

itschrome > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:46

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Man, but I looked at rs when they first hit the market and no matter how hard I tried I literally couldn’t see shit out the rear that would have been helpful. And that quarter panel dead spot was killer.. But luckily unless some one was 6 inches from the car I could see them with mirrors and also it had a back up camera so yeah, who gives a fuck if you can’t see much out that window. you can see if other cars are back there when your driving.

camaroboy68ss > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:48

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I've tuned it out by now, since I've always have owned a Camaro at all times, these complaints have never really held any value. Though I will say the 5th gen took a little time getting used to over the 4th gen it replaced in my garage and my 68 though I will say the 5th gen isn't much worse than a first gen in the visibility department. They both have the same blind spots in the c pillar. The big difference is the A pillar between the two.

Tekamul > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:54

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6'. The seat is all the way up in the FR-S, just giving me clearance to the roof. Still wish that the dash, window sill and trunk lid were a couple inches lower. And the rear seat ‘windows’ are pointless. B&C pillars are too thick.

Ever been in a 70's BMW CSi? Now that’s a greenhouse

Sweet Trav > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 13:58

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Seriously, though the debate about visibility out of this car is the same for just about all new cars.

My 2015 SHO is just as bad as Yamahog’s 2015 Camaro SS.

citizennick > Tekamul 03/09/2016 at 14:00

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I just think complaining is a moot point. It’s impossible to give a GT car the sight lines of a Camry. Can the Camaro’s be improved? Sure, I bet they could improve on them. But in the recent history of GT cars with fat quarters I’m pretty sure lack of outward vision has always been an issue.

yamahog > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/09/2016 at 14:01

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I’m 5'3" and managed it, and my feet can even reach the clutch.

Wooooo

citizennick > Sweet Trav 03/09/2016 at 14:01

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But it's the front page. You're generally accepted among everyone if you make fun of the outward visibility of the Camaro and praise the Miata.

Sweet Trav > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 14:05

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Those peasants don’t know the difference between a TR-6060 and a T-56

Tekamul > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 14:07

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Impossible? The vette has better sight lines, lower nose, lower flank, lower sills. It’s at least partially a style choice on Chevy’s part.

Übel > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 14:07

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The visibility in the 5th gen was an inexcusable travesty. No amount of seat adjustment could fix that. They definitely improved things in the 6th gen, although it’s still not great.

yamahog > Mercedes Streeter 03/09/2016 at 14:08

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No, not so easily.

-lives through studio/engineering debates daily

Mercedes Streeter > yamahog 03/09/2016 at 14:11

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Oh I know where you’re possibly going with this. You can’t possibly make a larger greenhouse without dramatically changing the design. Still, it seems GM took aesthetics over function. Which is okay I guess, the car does look darned good. :)

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > yamahog 03/09/2016 at 14:12

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I just couldn’t get comfortable in it which says a lot to me considering I drive an ambulance with awful blindspots for a living

citizennick > Tekamul 03/09/2016 at 14:14

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Eh, idk about that, I’ve driven my brothers C7 numerous times and back to back with my 6th gen. I don't personally think it's better in that regard.

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 14:17

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I know this isn’t a modern car but it is not impossible to have a good greenhouse in a gt.

yamahog > Tekamul 03/09/2016 at 14:19

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I did not get that impression behind the wheel of the C7.

yamahog > Mercedes Streeter 03/09/2016 at 14:24

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Also, believe it or not, there are sight envelope requirements in FMVSS/ECE regs. It literally generates cones of visibility from the mirrors that can’t be violated, and studio has to honor that. Which is why all my designer friends cheered when the new Cadillac rearview camera/mirror thing got approved.

yamahog > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/09/2016 at 14:26

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That’s an understandable objection, no one wants to buy something too uncomfortable for them.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > yamahog 03/09/2016 at 14:29

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I will admit the new camera rear view mirror will do wonders for the trucking industry and even ambulances and other work vans that you only have the windshield and two side windows to look out of

Mercedes Streeter > yamahog 03/09/2016 at 14:30

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I actually kinda figured that, so that a manufacturer just can’t slap any sort of mirror on and call it a day.

What’s the Cadillac mirror thing? I heard about some cool concept that’s basically a rearview mirror that deletes the rear seats from what you see behind you.

yamahog > Mercedes Streeter 03/09/2016 at 14:41

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Right, I think there’s a minimum area for the mirror itself and then you have to model some type of human driver’s viewing angles of those mirrors, yadda yadda. The fun stuff!

And the XT5 review today talked about it a little, basically looks like you press a button and the mirror turns into a huge backup camera that shows a panorama of what’s behind you as if your car has no rear quarter panels.

DoYouEvenShift > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 14:58

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I think the majority of the commenters are around 16 years old. So they only have their parents Camry as comparison.

uofime-2 > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 15:01

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Lets talk about the real problem, the tiny trunk opening. Seriously, why is it so small?

Svend > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 15:02

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I hear that a lot on the VW Scirocco.

Beautiful car, great legs with economical (1.4TSi) and/or powerful (2.0TSi) engines (by Euro scale not U.S. scale).

But what do some say about it? “you can’t see properly out of the rear window”.

Ye’, a five door VW Golf is practical, a three door VW Golf is still practical with some sportiness and the VW Scirocco is a sexy VW Golf (the way I see them).

Though I’d take mine like this if anyone wants to sub me GBP£33,000 (USD$47,000).

Meatcoma > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/09/2016 at 15:14

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I own a 5th gen and with the mirrors set just past the view of the rear quarters I have never had to even wonder if someone was in my blind spot because I don’t have one.

It does have a blind spot while backing out of a space, but I’ve never had a close call or hit anything. I just back out slowly until I can make sure no one is back there.

I am also 6'2".

citizennick > Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes 03/09/2016 at 15:14

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All these standards in safety make it impossible to have something like that and still look good. It's sad ):

citizennick > uofime-2 03/09/2016 at 15:15

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Hahaha, yeah, when I opened my trunk for the first time I was like “huh”.... Big trunk, worthless if things won't fit in the opening lol.

citizennick > Svend 03/09/2016 at 15:16

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Those things are so damn beautiful.

Meatcoma > Jayhawk Jake 03/09/2016 at 15:16

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We could test this Jake. Emporia meet up!

uofime-2 > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 15:19

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I saw one open at a car show last weekend and was kind of shocked

Svend > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 15:35

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And they start at GBP£21,010 (USD$29,980) a 1.4TSi 125ps 6 speed manual.

The base model three door VW Golf S starts at £19,365 ($27,500) for the same engine.

If your single or in relationship with no kids and want something cheap, reliable, sexy that makes you smile when your driving it and smile walking up to it. It leaves the Golf as a distant memory.

citizennick > Svend 03/09/2016 at 15:44

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I’ve always thought this car has some of the sexiest haunches.

wiffleballtony > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 16:05

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My biggest problem with that Camaro is the front fascia. Looks like a Toyota trying to be aggressive.

Svend > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 16:32

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It certainly does. Great road presence with an aggressive yet beautiful look.

ly2v8-Brian > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 17:15

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Massive blind spots are par for the course thanks to regulations. Really the bitching is more because it's a GM product. I had zero issues when I test drove one.

jvirgs drives a Subaru > citizennick 03/09/2016 at 19:16

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I can tell you that while I can see out the rear window in my Dart, I cannot tell you where the back of the car is. The Rear camera is a must when backing.

NJAnon > citizennick 03/11/2016 at 23:35

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Just respond to those people mentioning not being able to see out of the Camaro

“well go ahead and step out of the car while I drive away in the Camaro. Can you see now?”